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Another disingenuous, shallow, and superficial peacenik, whom is ranting about the 2000 US war fatalities and wishing for over 100,000 Iraqis dead. You almost had an argument about the leadership’s lack of service, until you started the superficial death count. Snap out of your Chicken Little routine, because no one believes you all. If the draft was on, like in the 60’s, you would have an argument. But, with the all volunteer force, no one is putting a gun to their heads to join. Contrary to your belief, you can’t brain wash 2-3 million volunteers. So, some sobering statistics since the war began:
(1) 575 service personnel had accidental deaths in fiscal year 2003(Federal Daily News, 1/20/04). It is probably the same or greater number of fatalities in 2004 and 2005, so let’s estimate 1725 accidental fatalities. Almost the same number as the combat related fatalities. Why don't you count those deaths in your war total? Don’t they deserve recognition? Disproves the hollow liberal cry of “we care” for the servicemen and women. Why aren’t you socialists crying to Congress about making the military safer? Because, you don’t care! You are all just another petty group, who is using the servicemen and women for some petty agenda.
(2) 11,278 work related fatalities (Dept of Labor) and will probably be the same rate for 2005 so estimate: 16,917 fatalities.
(3) 85,520 auto related fatalities (MADD) and will probably be the same rate for 2005, so estimate: 128,280 fatalities, of which 39-40 percent will be cause by drunk drivers.
Wow, almost 150,000 of your fellow citizens just in those three categories. Is it safer in Iraq? But, it’s about the war. You all will do anything to drag down the country to gain power. What redeeming action has come from the liberal leftist yelling about the war? I guess that is the question. My recommendation, do like the Australians, they separate politics from the servicemen. Their version of Memorial Day is a no kidding holiday, not a slacker one like ours. There are memorials and eulogies, to remind the country of its sacrifices. If you really want to take the high ground, than take it. In word and deed.

How many dead Americans is all right for you? How many dead Iraqis? And about the 100,000 dead Iraqis, you have better evidence than a Johns Hopkins researcher? Because if you do you should be putting it in peer reviewed journals not the comment threads of a political blog.

"Another disingenuous, shallow, and superficial peacenik, whom is ranting about the 2000 US war fatalities and wishing for over 100,000 Iraqis dead. You almost had an argument about the leadership’s lack of service, until you started the superficial death count. Snap out of your Chicken Little routine, because no one believes you all. If the draft was on, like in the 60’s, you would have an argument. But, with the all volunteer force, no one is putting a gun to their heads to join. ..."

You freakish, unholy ghoul. You think that random traffic accidents are comparable to purposely sending some of the finest young people we have into a meat grinder? What the hell is superficial about reporting a death toll, shouldn't we be paying attention to what they've sacrificed? And what does that have to do with 'wanting' anyone dead? I don't want any of those people dead, not the soldiers, not the Iraqis, or does the phrase 'obscene waste of life' not penetrate the whistling caverns of your spongy, odiferous skull?

Further, why the hell would you think that I'd have anything against someone who signed up to the military of their own accord? I've known and loved people who were in the military and I'm related to a couple of veterans who'd be mystified by your implication. Most of our troops signed up either out of a sense of duty to their country or a desire to improve their circumstances in a positive way and it's frankly stupid to waste a single one of them.

They honor us by offering to serve our country and they should be honored in return by being sent out on tasks that are worthy of them and their lives not put in any unnecessary risk.

Further, you clearly just tumbled in with some of Bush's neglected tumbleweeds, but we've complained quite a bit about the equipment shortages troops in Iraq are facing. And about their pay, benefits, veterans services and medical care. But you wouldn't know that or care to find out because you're a pompous, cringing, scabrous little toad with a mouth easily bigger than your brain before the drugs.

And the Australians unleashed Rupert Murdoch on the world. Until they do something about their free range lunatic, I reserve the right not to give a damn how they run their country.

What's dragging us down is that little beady-eyed spendthrift in Washington and his powerlusting moneyhungried greasefingered cronies whoring out the federal piggybank for their friends. What's dragging us down is an unnecessary war whose budget could have bought a better seawall for New Orleans several times over and put new textbooks in every classroom in America without breaking a sweat. What's dragging us down is the stagnation of the working class wage, the corporate purchase of our laws and lizardlivered cowards like yourself who think nothing of spending other people's lives to further your unjustified pride and overweening venality.

You are a disgrace to the bacteria that live beneath your scrotum.

natasha. lithium. seriously.

Natasha;

Don't get worked up over morons like Lumpy. I mean really, if his reasoning were valid then the US wouldn't be in a war in the first place. Clearly the 3,000 killed in the WTC on 9/11 is no biggie compared to the number of U.S. citizens killed in car accidents. So why start a war over it? Really, no point in argueing with people who have no brains.

Anyways, great post - I might copy part of it. Keep up the good work.

I served (22 yrs) and must respond. If you make allegations of AWOL get your facts straight...or is that not as important as making your point. And do not forget the Bill & Hillary Clintons, Edward Kennedys, Robert Byrds and so on who also did not serve.

If being attacked and having 3000 of our citizens murdered is not justification for war....what is?

Ken, and I say this with all due respect, you are as ignorant as the day is long.

I'll address this first because it's most important, but Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on 9-11. Nothing. Not only nothing to do with the attacks, but not a single damn thing to do with planning, financing or supporting anyone who planned or financed them. Now once, many many years ago, Bin Laden's people and Hussein's people did lunch somewhere in Sudan. But basically Hussein's response was 'don't call us, we'll call you,' and they never did have anymore to do with each other afterwards.

So when you say that this war with Iraq was right because we were attacked on 9-11, those two things are so far away from being related to each other that you might as well have said something like, 'if being snidely mocked by some low level flunky of the Canadian government is not justification for war....what is?

No, Bill Clinton and many other people on either side have also not served. That isn't necessarily the point. But you see, none of those people that you mentioned lied about the reasons for going to war, manufactured intelligence estimates, sent troops to war without proper backup or equipment, failed to plan for the post-war period and reconstruction, relied on Iranian double agents, put out stop loss orders and involuntarily recalled retired servicemembers, or looked the other way while their friends embezzled billions of dollars and then had the cheek to pretend everything was fine.

It's the hypocrisy of forcing an unecessary war at any cost when they were willing to send others in their place to the conflicts they had a chance to serve in. And Bush was in fact AWOL, which is really all there in his pay records and performance reviews. He wasn't paid for a full term of service, he had "not been observed" at a unit he was assigned to, and his pilot test scores weren't high enough to have gotten him to the head of the line on merit.

Try reading more, I hear it works wonders.

natasha,
I guess you have all the answers. Your elitist attitude is only surpassed by your desire to look at the world with blinders. I get it already, you've seen a Michael Moore movie and listened to Al Franken on the radio. That doesn't make you informed and it definately does not make you keeper of the truth. Your insistance that President Bush was AWOL during the Viet Nam conflict magnifys your ignorance of military matters and your willingness take a bit of half truths and twisted rumor and spout it as fact. Don't try to tap dance around military issues and sound like you know what you are talking about....you don't.
As for reading more...I read plenty. I recommend you try reading something besides the leftist spin thats out there and make up you own mind.