November 09, 2004

Stealing Elections, Part II

My first posting on the subject produced a near unanimous outcry from friends on the Left that dwelling on potential election fraud is a waste of time. So why am I risking ridicule by making another post on the subject? I’ve been getting emails from other friends that tell a different story. There’s also the fact that I’ve been working for 20 years with large complex systems, and the cardinal rule of problem-solving is make sure you’re solving the right problem. I’m not saying that the Republicans stole the 2004 election. But we shouldn’t reject out of hand the possibility either. Otherwise, we’ll learn all the wrong lessons from this election. Change 70,000 votes in Ohio and instead of eulogizing the demise of the Democratic party, we’re patting ourselves on the back, saying what a great job we did. Well, perhaps we’d still be criticizing ourselves, but you get the idea.

Magpie posted some interesting facts and a column by Bob Fikrakis in the Ohio Free Press. Thom Hartman has a good piece Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked and these charts by voting machine type in Florida and Pennsylvania are very revealing, particularly this analysis that shows significant pro-R and anti-D deviations between voter registration and votes cast, not one county of which crosses over in the other direction! A friend sent me this gif that shows very graphically the discrepancies between exit polls and machine tallies in a number of states. I don't know the source of the data (and therefore its validity).

From Keith Olberman, host of MSNBS's Countdown, we have this story, excerpted:

"...there is a small but blood-curdling set of news stories that right now exists somewhere between the world of investigative journalism, and the world of the Reynolds Wrap Hat. And while the group’s ultimate home remains unclear - so might our election of just a week ago.

Stories like these have filled the web since the tide turned against John Kerry late Tuesday night. But not until Friday did they begin to spill into the more conventional news media. That’s when the Cincinnati Enquirer reported that officials in Warren County, Ohio, had “locked down” its administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote count there."

There’s a note you’ve probably seen in your inbox from Cynthia Butler (or someone calling themselves that) urging Kerry to unconcede the race. (see read more) Finally, here are a number of other articles on election fraud with links, etc.

Don’t get me wrong. We still need to reach out to people, voters and non-voters alike and do some serious listening and dialoguing. But at the same time, let’s figure out what actually happened so we can solve the right problem.

MUSTREAD: this just post on Common Ground (none / 1)


I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people wondering why KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio, before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came in.

There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it was taken from him.

There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the results. It's coming from all corners.

I understand that he has until the official count certification in Ohio to Un Concede which is several days from now.

Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why - whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's brother at his law firm at the address They should inform us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for whatever reason- they lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally witnessed a number of things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee)
If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign. They should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four hours -particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they do it to political prisoners) . They should be notified if people were told as has been reported that due to too many people showing up in African American precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths (some only had two or three for the entire precinct) and told because of heavy turn out they could vote on Wednesday.

If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a percentage margin that exceeds
the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be made to challenge the count.

If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt with in terms of the ultimate count.

This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am taking it up in other venues.

Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.

Cynthia L. Butler
1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036
We have the POWER to take our country BACK!

Posted by Norman at November 9, 2004 12:26 AM | US Politics | Technorati links |

Norman, thanks for shedding light on this.

We're getting bombed by nasty trolls on BOP for talking about it, and even some people on the left find the topic taboo.

And you know what? I think fighting to preserve democracy is worth suffering a little ridicule. Seems you do, too. Good on you.

I find it very interesting that the notion of fighting for a fair and accurate vote count is so very, very contraversial.

Al Gore being gracious got us 100,000+ dead Iraqi civilians and 1,000+ American service people. The price of losing graciously seems rather high, to me.

Thank you again for your support, and for taking a brave stand on this one.

Posted by: Shaula Evans at November 9, 2004 12:36 AM

Against shallow, premature conclusions does unrelenting journalism (blogging) prevail. Forget the complainers and keep keeping on. If there's something there, only the determined will find it. Besides, wouldn't it be great to bring down the bush regime with something as scandalous as election fraud???

And...the Kennedy assasination wacko conspiricists have been mainly vindicated, even though it took 40 years and some of them are probably dead by now.

So, stay the course, but if we don't get a conviction by 2008, you can move on to more pressing corruption.

Posted by: kamajii at November 9, 2004 07:57 PM

"Kennedy assasination wacko conspiricists have been mainly vindicated.."

They have? Which ones?

Posted by: Michael at November 10, 2004 11:58 AM