November 02, 2004

We need to stop.

Tonight's results have been very hard to watch, and the thought of four more years of the current administration is not something we're up to contemplating at the moment.

Back tomorrow.

Posted by Magpie at November 2, 2004 11:42 PM | Elections | Technorati links |

Ricardo, reporting for duty (LOL),
I'm not here to gloat or rub salt in your wounds-- oh screw it -- yes I am (unlike Englishman who represents the Gaurdian reading sector of the UK public).

I suppose you're all sat there sulking now, wondering what went wrong, aren't you???
I'll tell you what went wrong, you lefties are far too arrogant and opinionated. The way you expect all young voters to vote democrat (like they're all so narrow-minded only left-wing rhetoric could possibly penetrate their the way Mike Moore thinks all who saw his film, will do his dirty work of going around the US forcing his bullshit down everybodies throat they come into contact with).
You force your opinions onto people , all the time believing every word you say as gospel, and anyone who dares disagree with you is instantly branded "ignorant right-wing nazi". Why can't you express your opinions without trying to force everone to accept your crap???
I find out facts, then talk to neutral or unsure people on a level and let them form their own opinions, but lefties just expect or demand agreement for their views. No-one likes being told what to think, what to believe, who to hate, who to like....etc. It's like you've got your own ideology. Some right-wingers may have that approach, but I have noticed even the most hardcore rightists tend to meet liberals half-way in discussion, accepting some of their points , while tossing others into the garbage where they belong.Liberals do the opposite, refusing completely to accept any right-wing views whatsoever, and it's this attitude that will forever cripple you.
Another reason people empathize with the right is because they don't have the huge influence of the media and hollywood in their favour, which not only makes for a more open-minded crowd, but to neutrals appears likr the most likely to have imformed opinions, who don't listen to hollywood conspiricy theories and bias media crap.

Instead of whining on about it, like Gore did,Kerry should just accept defeat, it'll hurt a lot less in the long run. All he's doing now is building everyones hopes up for nothing, and at the end of it your just going to give less civilised rightists than me more ammo, and make himself and all of you look more like sore losers (foolish, childish ones) in the long-run.

You have my sympathies, you gave it some heart, but ultimately that wasn't enough, you need a candidate with a little more panache. Look on the bright side, in 2008, Hilary's got it nailed.....

Until then though you've failed, it's over....

Posted by: Ricardo at November 3, 2004 03:08 AM

The right don't have the influence of the media? I can't recall a group that has had such control of the media in a free state.

Posted by: Andy Freed at November 3, 2004 08:01 AM

Take heart. I know you are disappointed, and this can be difficult to swallow, especially considering how hard you worked and how much you wanted to win.

Even though I am a Republican, I just want to urge you not to lose hope. It's just an election, and there will be more. I promise you. You will win some of them, and the more courage and more faith you show now, the happier you will be on that day. Best.


Posted by: IB Bill at November 3, 2004 08:17 AM

one of the differences between the left and the right, ricardo, is that if the election had turned out the way i'd hoped, it would never have occurred to me to go post gloating comments on right-wing blogs.

Posted by: Magpie at November 3, 2004 08:26 AM

We have just witnessed the end of the American Republic and the Rise of the American Imperium. The rest of the world will now have no other choice but to form alliances against us for their own protection. Nuclear proliferation is now a foregone conclusion as North Korea has demonstrated the value of having a Great Equalizer to keep American military might at bay. The environment will continue to deteriorate, and the economic future bodes ill for all not attached to the Toppers.

I hope those bastards are satisfied with themselves. May they rot in hell.

Posted by: pessimist at November 3, 2004 09:47 AM


This thread shows what's wrong.

Speaking as one social-justice liberal to a bunch of others, we have to stop viewing conservatives as THEM, and as people who just don't get it.

We need to start thinking in terms of "why do we not understand conservatives?"

We need to relate to the mindset that not only prizes moral values over Iraq and the economy, but which views Iraq and like matters as GOOD expressions of morality.

Instead of continuing to rail against these forces, which we ourselves know to be bad, we need to go to these people who see things 180 degrees differently and begin to understand them.

We also need to put Hillary Clinton and John Edwards in a room and make one of them (hopefully Hillary) back out of the 2008 race to let the other one run, unfettered, and basically start living with Ohioans and Floridians for much of the next four years. :-)

Posted by: Matt Zemek at November 3, 2004 11:08 AM

To hell with the conservatives! The problem isn't the handful of voters who fall between Democrat and Republican, it's the ones who don't vote at all. Turnout at this election was very high by US standards, but even so _forty_percent_ of eligible voters didn't. That's just appalling. And the increase over 2000 was mostly republican - only an additional 2% of the population voted for Kerry compared to Gore. Why did the Democrats fail like this against one of the worst presidents in history? A completely insane choice of candidate. Bush invades and occupies another country without provocation under a flimsy pretext since proven to be utterly fabricated, outraging the entire world, and the Democrats decide that the best person to oppose him is a guy who says "yep, invading Iraq was the right thing to do". Just maybe, standing a candidate who _opposed_ the war would have turned out better?

Posted by: felice at November 3, 2004 12:02 PM

One of the great disappointments I have with this is the youth vote. We worked very hard to get out and connect with them, get them registered to vote, to motivate them.

This fell far short of what I expected. Once again, we were stabbed in the back by 'youthful apathy'.

Screw 'em. Part of me wants the Draft re-instated so that some of them can realise what 'civic responsibility' really means. A tour in Fallujah or Nadir will make them wonder if sitting at home on Nov. 2, 2004, smokin' a bowl or texting Suzy Q on the cel was worth it.

I know there were some young people who did a lot, and I am grateful. But your compatriots let us down and you were the only ones who could have reached them.

Now, that was a vent. I move on and go forward. The first round goes to the bad guys. The next round is up to us.

2006, the future is still ours to take ...or give away.

Posted by: David Aquarius at November 3, 2004 12:31 PM

Oh my yes. Aren't we liberals just the most arrogant group. Let's look at my liberal family and friends for example...there's Sally the arrogant heart-lung transplant nurse, Staci the arrogant full time receptionist with 2 young children, Nick the arrogant assistant manager of a 2-screen indie theatre, Bob the arrogant retired factory worker, Shirley the arrogant hospital gift shop volunteer, Keith the arrogant unemployed guy, Janet the arrogant office manager, Julia the arrogant nature Preserve manager and myself the incredibly arrogant seller of Native American Art. Surely we're far more arrogant than one who would come in and fling insults at sad people.

Posted by: Di at November 3, 2004 06:44 PM

Just another example of how the right wingers are not only sore loosers, but sore winners. It seems to me that the righteous is just plain sore.

Posted by: tovart at November 7, 2004 01:01 PM